ok, I'm sorry about yet another global warming related rant. but this was just too much to ignore.
I found an article talking about how expensive gas needs to be for it to make sense to trade in your, say, 5 year old truck to buy a new Honda Civic. There were a lot of flaws in the whole setup (why wouldn't you trade in your 5 year old truck for a 5 year old + Civic?), but essentially the answer is $7.55.
That wasn't what sparked this blog entry. Here's what made me angry, left as a comment. My comments are in square brackets:
"I am so tired of people trying to force the environmental nonsense on everyone else.
Guess what, greenies, you ain’t so green yourselves. [um, ok?]
As scientists, make that extremely reputable scientists [who?], continue to distance themselves from the idea of ‘global warming’ (and many are now changing their opinion from support to ‘does not support’) [I don't believe you], I am shocked at how many people truly choose ignorance and Al Gore’s documentary as their sources of knowledge. [what about those that choose scientific reports by the IPCC as their source of knowledge?]
Increased solar activity is the primary contributer to global warming. [says who?]
At least that’s the best explanation we can figure out without relying on computer modeling and guesswork combined with force feedings from Gore. [well, geez. if we can come up with an explanation without a computer, it must be right! right now, in my head, I decided 24x17 was 156. guess what? I was wrong.]
But hey, let’s examine the OTHER side of the coin. You know, the measurable environmental impact of buying a hybrid.
So how do they make them?
Well, the batteries are mined in canada from a nickel mine. For miles around the mine, there is a dead zone where no animal or plant life exists. [the next comment is from someone who says they live in Canada next to one of these mines, and that there is no dead zone. but go ahead.] Nickel is toxic and the mine has destroyed all life for miles. But that’s not all…
The nickel is then shipped via boat (burning thousands and thousands of gallons of gasoline and dumping gobs of toxic chemicals both into the ocean and the air) [but if it's not causing global warming, is it really that terrible?] to China, where the mined nickel is refined and built into the batteries for the prius. From there, the batteries are shipped to Japan via boat (again, spewing toxins and burning tons of gasoline) where they are installed into the prius. Then, mostly completed Prius’ are shipped via boat (spewing pollutants again) to the US, where final assembly is made. Then those Prius’ are shipped via truck (spewing toxins) across the country for delivery to dealerships.[and all other car parts and cars are created, built, and constructed behind dealerships, therefore not shipping parts or the semi-finished/finished product?]
Awesome!
And what happens when those batteries are no good anymore? we don’t really know, but nickel is toxic and needs to be disposed of properly [just like regular batteries that I'm guessing you just toss in the trash? AND the rechargeable NiCad batteries (made of, guess what, nickel!)? are you against those too?] - we don’t know how and no one monitors this [I'm guessing that if your Prius needs to be junked, a junkyard knows what to do with it. just like regular car batteries!], but hey you can sure feel good about how great your car is for the environment.
The fact is that a brand new Hummer lasts longer [huh? because Priuses have been around long enough to draw conclusive evidence?] and contributes less to the net effect of pollution over the course of it’s life [ok, now you're just making shit up]. Not to mention it is cheaper to operate, repair, and maintain. [right, because maintaining the gas in something that gets less than 10mpg is cheap.]
But hey, go ahead and buy the Prius if it makes you feel good. Who cares about the massive amount of damage manufacturing it does, forget the fact that repairing one is expensive [like Saabs? and VWs? and Volvos? are you against them too?], and ignore the fact that we are going to have an environmental nightmare on our hands when we retire the cars. [again...you don't think someone will send/give the batteries in some sort of hazmat facility capable of dealing with this?]
Also, ignore the fact that all the hype is about a 1 degree shift in temperature that correlates precisely to increased solar activity. [according to...?]
Oh yeah, and the fact that less than 3% of the worlds ‘greenhouse gasses’ are contributed to mankind. [again, source please? are you not counting all the methane given off by animals that we raise to feed mankind?]
Or the fact that kyoto treaty countries have fared worse environmentally.
How is it you people are able to ignore scientific consensus failure time and time again?
How is it that you are willing to accept a ‘consensus’ argument when it goes against the very nature of science?
Please.
Good article. The math makes sense and the argument is sound."
yeah, but your argument sure isn't.
asshole.
Wednesday, May 23, 2007
so angerfying. seriously.
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2 comments:
I don't think the post had flaws. Sure, it didn't address every single issue involved in making the decision, but that never was my goal.
The point that I was trying to make with this post was to calculate at what price point it would make sense to dump the truck and buy a fuel-efficient car. I then assumed that the truck had some trade-in value and that that value would be applied to the price of the Civic.
Right, but an older Civic would still have better gas mileage than an older truck. So by purchasing a Civic at the same price point as the trade-in value of the truck, you will save money. And gas can go down, and you'll still save money! Why would you assume that someone had to buy a more expensive car to get better gas mileage?
There was absolutely nothing wrong with the calculations, just the process.
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